Bill, There may be an IETF mailing list (or an ACM social issues list) that is appropriate for your messages on this subject, but IMHO it is not the IPsec mailing list. Regards, -Rob- Robert W. Shirey GTE Internetworking Security Practice Center Suite 1200, 1300 Seventeenth St. North, Arlington, VA 22209-3801 USA rshirey@bbn.com, Phone 703-284-4641, Reception 284-4600, Fax 284-2766