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Re: IPSec SA DELETE in "dangling" implementation



"Scott G. Kelly" wrote:

> Maybe dead peer detection should not rely upon the presence of an IKE
> SA.

I like this approach, but it needs to be further analysed:

- are there any attacks possible when using unprotected NOTIFYes for keep-alive? E.g. is
"false-alive" attack is really an attack?
- what if protected keep-alives are used when possible (IKE SA is around) and non-protected
when there is no IKE SA?
- use of keep-alives in this fashion will prevent us from taking advantage of using Ack-ed
NOTIFY for keep-alives, because Ack-ed NOTIFY is always protected (unless this requirement can
be relaxed for keep-alives)
- could resource-minded implementations when they need more memory "shrink" their SAs (instead
of deleting them) to a bare minimum to only support keep-alive protection?
- could we use (somehow) IPSec-based keep-alives
- etc.
- etc.




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