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RE: [seamoby] BOF: IP over Bluetooth for 50th Meeting of IETF.

Your concerns will be addressed in a favourable manner.
Please join the list.  Your input is very welcome.

- Kulwinder.

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: James Kempf [mailto:kempf@heliopolis.Eng.Sun.COM]
 > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:18 PM
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 > MOBILE-IP@standards.nortelnetworks.com; srvloc@srvloc.org;
 > aaa-wg@merit.edu; manet@itd.nrl.navy.mil; ipsec@lists.tislabs.com;
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 > kulwinder.atwal@herc.zucotto.com
 > Cc: narten@raleigh.ibm.com; Ron.Akers@motorola.com
 > Subject: Re: [seamoby] BOF: IP over Bluetooth for 50th 
 > Meeting of IETF. 
 > 
 > 
 > Kulwinder,
 > 
 > There is an issue here with the closed, proprietary nature of 
 > the Bluetooth
 > SIG. Since information on what the SIG is doing is not available until
 > it is complete, there is nothing to prevent the SIG from 
 > doing something
 > that would invalidate the work that IETF puts into desiging a better
 > IP over Bluetooth.
 > 
 > Is there any possibility of gaining assurance from the SIG that they
 > won't do something like this?
 > 
 > 		jak
 > 
 > 
 > >
 > >Myself and Ron Akers have requested an IP over Bluetooth BOF 
 > for the 50th
 > >Meeting of the IETF in Minneapolis.  The BOF will discuss 
 > the creation of a
 > >IETF Working Group to investigate the most open and 
 > efficient way to place
 > >IP over the Bluetooth Host Controller.
 > >
 > >Current work in this area within the Bluetooth SIG 
 > concentrates on defining
 > >IP over a set of other lower-layer stacks. Currently there 
 > are two options
 > >defined by the Bluetoth SIG:
 > >
 > > Option 1: IP/PPP/RFCOM/L2CAP/Host Controller
 > >
 > > Option 2: IP/PAN Profile/L2CAP/Host Controller
 > > 	   (where the PAN Profile is a Bluetooth SIG work in progress)
 > > 
 > >
 > >We are proposing that the IETF form a WG to define a more 
 > efficient way of
 > >running IP over Bluetooth. In particular, IP would run
 > > over an IETF protocol over the Host Controller without 
 > L2CAP.  This option
 > >may be adopted by the Bluetooth SIG at a later date as a 
 > Profile.  Since all
 > >Bluetooth SIG Profiles are optional, a customer may choose 
 > any combination
 > >of Profiles in a final product.  Further, since Bluetooth 
 > Working Groups
 > >have it in their mandate to adopt protocols from other 
 > standards making
 > >bodies such as the IETF, there exists a clear path for IETF 
 > work to be
 > >adopted by the Bluetooth SIG.
 > > 
 > >Whereas the last BOF was informational only and organized by 
 > the Bluetooth
 > >SIG itself, the objective of this BOF will be to foster 
 > innovation, and
 > >speed progress by placing IP related protocol development 
 > wihin the IETF and
 > >Bluetooth-specific protocol development
 > > within the Bluetooth SIG, by developing an IP over 
 > Bluetooth IETF Working
 > >Group.
 > > 
 > >This effort will define its own way of running IP over Bluetooth, by
 > >carefully selecting a set of Bluetooth protocols (freely 
 > available from
 > >published specifications at
 > >http://www.bluetooth.com/developer/specification/specificatio
 > n.asp) on which
 > >to build IP.
 > >
 > >Please join myself, Kulwinder Atwal, and Ron Akers on the 
 > pre-BOF mailing
 > >list:
 > > 
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 > >
 > >
 > >Kulwinder Atwal
 > >Bluetooth Design
 > >Zucotto Wireless Inc.
 > >kulwinder.atwal@zucotto.com
 > >
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