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Re: Status of ID: IPsec Flow Monitoring MIB



Everyone represents themselves as individuals in the 
IETF WG discussions as opposed to representing 
companies/vendors/organizations/etc.  We are all
equals in helping to influence the future.  In 
reality or perception, this may not be totally true.  

Thus I would like to make it quite clear that I was 
representing MY opinions and NOT claiming to represent 
any company (Cisco) as Paul states.  And take full 
responsibility for MY comments.

If my comments where found offensive, please accept my 
sincere apology.  The comment that Paul points out was 
actually meant to be a complement to John Shriver (who
I have great respect for), but I can understand how 
it could be viewed otherwise.

I sincerely believe in IPsec and want to see it be
VERY successful, but believe strongly that the management 
direction has major problems.  

 

Paul Koning wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Leo" == Leo Temoshenko <leot@cisco.com> writes:
> 
>  Leo> I believe all of points were addressed by rks in his response to
>  Leo> Tim Jenkins (timestamp Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:21:11 -0800).  His
>  Leo> responses were great and right-on-the-money.
> 
>  Leo> I would like to add several comments...
> 
>  Leo> 1) Your note is very interesting and touching.  It covers all
>  Leo> the points that one learns in an "how to influence others" class
>  Leo> - fear, justification, authorization advice and ends with
>  Leo> sympathy.  Very nice.
> 
> I've been watching this argument for a while now.
> 
> Frankly, a lot of it has been at a level that prompts me to reach for
> the Delete key right away.  I haven't been able to find much substance
> in between all the childish remarks, unfortunately.  In particular,
> I've seen a lot of messages that are not even close to the level of
> maturity and technical substance one would expect to see from people
> who claim to represent Cisco.
> 
> It may help feed your own sense of self-importance to write comments
> such as the one quoted above, but it does not help at all in advancing
> your argument to a disinterested observer.  If you have a desire to
> influence the direction of the group, maybe you should have a
> conversation with some of your more senior colleagues on what to do
> and what not to do in IETF WG interactions.
> 
>     paul