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         S A M A C H A R    O P I N I O N     P O L L    1 2

         SHOULD THE HEIGHT OF THE NARMADA DAM BE INCREASED ?

              Respondents: 1276 (as of Sun, 10 am IST)

              Yes:          788 (61.8%)
              No:           369 (28.9%)
              Can't Say:     98 ( 7.7%)


     A sample of the comments received from readers on the Narmada issue
     are given below. These have not been edited.

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   55: Tarun Bhartiya UK: All those saying yes, please relocate to some
   godforsaken place or have the corporations divert the local water
   pipes put through your bedrooms. I think we the urban types shouldnot
   be shameless to ask for lakhs of indigenous people to sacrifice their
   habitats, so that we can use electric shavers and huge air
   conditioners. So YES PEOPLE, tomorrow i am coming to your houses with
   bulldozers, have sleepless nights.

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   54: Paddy Dubai: From personal experience I know in the name of
   environmental protection lot of developmental work has been hampered.
   Without irrigation facilities and without power generation standard of
   living of vast majority of our population does improve. Increased
   agriculture production is required. Manufacturing sector should grow
   for employment generation. And these so called environmentalist are
   not bothered abouy the big picture as long as they get their picture
   in the newspapers. Press is also playing in to their hands by giving
   extraordinary publicity. Regarding the rehabilitation of affected
   persons, I am sure it will be done. If not, not only the so called
   environmentalists but everyone of us should join the fight for
   justice. Many developed countries do not like to see India becoming
   self reliant. They have vested interests to keep India dependent on
   outside agencies. And they don't mind spending a bit of money for
   these so called environmentalists to play the role on thier behalf.

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   53: Angela India: Progress is always welcome, provided we look at the
   hazards we may be causing to life and the already battered
   environment. Let the people who will be affected by it decide.
   Thankfully, we do have some people who care about the environment. But
   I do not support the raising of the dam wall because there is no
   reason given as to why it should be raised. Politicians, please at
   least leave the environment alone!!!

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   52: Makarand Sane Singapore: Increase the height upto the height of
   Himalayas. Let all the poor villagers get drowned under the
   flood....Let somebody benefit & the poor perish..... Since
   independence its happening in India. Lets continue the practise.

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   51: Arvind Varadkar Malaysia: Since the reports says that dam is
   reality and no way going back, well in that case I say go for increase
   in height of the dam because this is the only opportunity to do the
   job. We cannot afford to do this kind of major project again again.
   Let us do a complete job now for better future of the country.

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   49: Aravinda India: Dear Editor,

   Please get the facts straight

   1. agitating against the project have been the people of Narmada, not
   only `social activists` and `environmentalists`

   2. Rajasthan has nothing to do with Sardar Sarovar. keep it out.

   3. acres of forests to be lost is thousands, not hundreds

   4. number of people to be displaced is lakhs, not thousands

   5. judiciary has given much credence to defenders of narmada in the
   past, as the dam was halted for 4 years on the basis of their petition
   in Supreme Court. It is only now that the provisions of Narmada Water
   Disputes Tribunal are being violated.

   6. parched lands of Kutch and Saurashtra will get NO water from this
   dam.

   There are NO plans for water supply either by Sardar Sarovar Nigam or
   by GUjarat govt or any district level govt. no govt even claims that
   water will reach these areas (though they had claimed so in early
   days) to other readers those who have some hope that rehabilitation
   might be done need only look at the history not only of all those
   already displaced in Sardar Sarovar project but in Tehri dam, Bargi
   dam, and other large projects in Indian history.

   Instead of saying go ahead with this dam and do the resettlement, why
   not say, first complete resettlement of all other displaced before
   even thinking about displacing any more. regarding `benefits` much of
   the power generated by the dam will be used to operate the dam. Power
   generation will slowly come to an end as water generation increases.
   this water will go first and foremost to the 24 new sugar cane
   factories that have been given license in the early reaches of the
   canals in exchange for major investment in the dam. Chairman of Sardar
   Sarovar Nigam himself has investments on two of these factories.

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   47: Anoop Patnaik USA: Life of dams are being drasticaly being cut
   because of silting. So take measures like planting trees ,prevent
   illigal forest specialy in the hills while provideing alternate fuel
   to locals who fell them etc.. to prevent silt from clogging up dams
   besides raising dams.

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   46: Prasanna Kirtani USA: Every step in any development project has
   costs associated with it. The Sardar Sarovar project is no exception.
   The cost-benefits should be weighed and appropriate steps taken to
   make it a win-win situation. the villagers SHOULD NOT have to bear the
   cost of industrialization and should be re-habilitated and compensated
   for.

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   44: Ganesh India: Increasing the height of the dam and proper
   compensation to the villagers is two different issues. What is lacking
   in India is proper infrastructure like power, road, communication etc.
   While we appreciate the concern she has for the people, she should not
   be road block for the development. I do agree that people dislocated
   should be compensated properly but their hardship should not be a sole
   factor for this. Unfortunately who people will have to undergo through
   this for benefit of the entire nation.

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   43: Niraj Keswani Canada: I think the so called "Medha Patkars" are
   just in the process of earning a name for themselves.. One has to look
   into the macro aspect and with a long term objective. India and
   Indians have been too restrictive in their approach which has led to
   the fact that we have valuable land un-cultivated and lack of potable
   water. While on one hand my heart goes out for the displaced Indians,
   but towards the growth of a nation, sacrifices have to be made just as
   the case for growth in the family.

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   41: Karan Dua USA: Yes. When its known that raising the height shall
   facilitate the availability of water in prime dry desert areas, then
   why there is a second thought?

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   40: Jatin Patel USA: Profit and benefits claimed by water utilized,
   extra agricultural GDP, environment friendly hydro electricity would
   definately justify the project. Any procrastination in the
   implementation of this project is myopia of Indian politicians at
   Centre.

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   38: Vincent USA: Yes, The National Interest requires that the height
   should be the maximum height allowed by the laws of NATURE and
   UNIVERSE. The porvincial political interests and the religiously
   phenetic beliefs of the environmentalists or naturalists should be
   tempered by the laws of very `NATURE` they worship. This benefits the
   HUMAN and the NATIONAL and the NATURAL and the ENVIRONMENTAL
   interests.

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   37: N.Desai USA: I don't understand why do these so called 'tribals'
   want to remain as tribals? Why do they still want to live as tribals?
   The so called 'tribals' are ruining their forest anyway by cutting
   down trees for fuel and killing the wildlife for their food. The
   tribal community should know that their forest cannot sustain forever
   to support them with fuel and food. Move on. If the tribals are
   protesting for better displacement, then I support them. But please do
   not halt any development work of our nation which has already costed
   dearly to our external debt. Narmada project would had been completed
   in 70's under few hundred crores, but because of several halts forced
   by protestors, this project is turning out to be several thousands of
   crores and it is still not yet complete. If the protesters want to
   save Mother Narmada, then they should think about how to save the
   sacred Narmada waters from being wasted into the sea. This `Narmada
   Bachhao Andolan` should develop a positive attitude and understand how
   to find a solution without hurting our National progress. Getting
   excited won't solve any problem. There were several villages in the
   past that got displaced due to developments in Godavari, Mahanadi,
   Koyna etc.. And overall it has shown that dams are always good for our
   Nation. If you want to protest, fine. but please donot forcibly halt
   any work in progress (it helps no one). || Namaamii devii Narmade ||

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   35: Ajay Bhatia India: Once the height was fixed to 80 meters. People
   were displaced and all the complaints of poor compensation...
   followed. Now increase the height by 5-10 meters more and scare the
   people who must have moved to the safer areas once again. People there
   must be living under a constant fear of permanent displacement and all
   this depends not on their will, but a judgement from people who might
   be having their vested interests. Whatever, I feel there is not much
   point in increasing the height of the dam. Why can't we take decisions
   once!

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   34: Kaushali Dave India: To all those who say 'yes' - do you have a
   reason for it besides the notion that it will help in development?
   Development has to be sustainable in the long run and how does one
   account for the forests lost or the people displaced? Besides, we
   don't even know the life of the dam. Is it really worth having extra
   height when it threatens our natural wealth? Think about all this and
   the costs and benefits of the dam - we shouldn't blindly agree to
   anything that appears to be developmental. This message is not about
   anti-development but about sustainable development.

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   33: Milind Shah USA: We should increase the size of the dam to prosper
   the desert area of Kutch. The displaced villagers can be rehabiliated.
   The problem is the implementation and not the dam.

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   32: Mohammed Mujahid Ahmed Saudi Arabia: In my opinion the height of
   the dam should be increased if it is going to help the poor villagers.
   What ever may be the project, it should be always kept in mind that it
   benefits the poor. First of all, the villagers should be given
   alternative accommodation. Secondly, appropriate steps should be taken
   to save hundreds of acres of prime forest land and then the Sardar
   sarovar project should be completed.

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   28: Venkat Krishnan USA: There is no way ever that the poor villagers
   will be compensated for the damage done by the dam. It is of interest
   to note that the Narmada has been dammed incredible number of times,
   and on the last occasion, the villagers bore the brunt of the entire
   process. The relocation and compensation was miserably inadequate for
   the farmers of that region. Over 300 villages were submerged at that
   time and considerable farmland was lost. Such grand adventures cause
   innumerable hardships to larger number of people than the benefits
   accruing to the urban few. I would like to see the middle and upper
   classes in the cities evicted from their homes, and left in the lurch
   in the pretext of a huge project. We will see how much hoarse they
   will cry when such a thing happens.

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   27: Renukswamy G Bidnurmath USA: I think these environmentalists and
   social activists have no other good work to do. It is because of such
   foolish activists that India, today, is in a poor state. These guys
   don't want atomic power and don't want Hydel power then what else they
   want ? They are the major obstacles in the countries modernization.
   They must learn to live with the new technology, rather than being an
   obstacle to the growth of the country. Since these guys don't
   feel/face any power cuts / water shortage in the country....They don't
   care about it. Let them face the problems then they will understand
   whether we must make use of the available resources and technology. It
   is true that we must leave the future generation in a better
   environment. But to do so the current generation need not suffer !
   They have the right to live in a healthy environments, without being
   denied of the current technology benefits.

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   26: Praveen Bhalchandra Karanjkar India (presently USA): I am sure the
   answer should be verified with the technicians for the feasibility and
   safety. If they are confident then the height of the dam must be
   increased since that part of the country is a desert area. Narmada is
   one of the only two rivers going towards west side in India and hence
   the only source of water for that part of India. As far as Medha
   Patkar's agitation is concerned she should consider it as successful
   if Indian Government takes care of the displaced people. It will be a
   win-win situation in that case.

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   25: Srinivas Yodtare USA: The height should not be increased as it
   causes lot of environmental damages. As already only 17% of our land
   is under green belt (that too most of it in north east) we should take
   action which are environmentally friendly. Small dams can give water ,
   electricity generation and are environmentally safe too. I don't
   understand why engineers are quiet in this issue. They should debate
   it openly in news paper and catch more attention of public.

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   23: Bhushit Joshipura India: Go to Saurashtra in any season and see
   yourself. In summer you don't get a glass of water when you order tea.
   Water is sold at high prices. Water from the reservoir is also going
   to North Gujarat. There you can afforest the land and fight Thar
   desert.

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   21: Prof.Pravin Sheth USA: Narmada Dam is a dam with a difference. It
   has taken care of environmemtal problems including catchment area
   treatment,canal lining,growing 60-plus trees per every tree
   felled,alternative sanctury,etc.Its R and R package is the most
   liberal and humane in the Third World.More than 7,500 PAPs are
   well-resettled accoding to independent evalution agencies like
   Css,Surat.Longitudinal studies bring out that PAPs,discontented in the
   initial phase of resettlement, are increasingly upwarding satisfaction
   index.Their income is significantly increased, with
   irrigated,diversified crop-patter.No where displaced persons have got
   received more than 5 acres of good land, with
   irrigation,education,etc. If the height of the Dam is increased, more
   arid lands including in Rajasthan will get benefits.Tribal aeras in MP
   will get power to light their homes and run cottage industr.We are
   energy-starved.Increased Dam height will help meet this problem to
   that extent.NBA are negativists.Most of their objections are proved
   misleading and false.Rather their obstuctionst tactics have escalated
   its costs from Rs.6,700 to more than 25,000, and causing Gujarat every
   day Rs 8 cr.Maximum use of this only unpolluted river of India be
   assured.--Prof.Pravin Sheth

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   20: Sujal Patel (From USA) India (Gujarat,Ahmedabad): To the people
   who say yes to narmada dam' hight to be increase -- I think you guys
   don't know what is going in the India. It is already too much late for
   dam to finish and now increase the hight. So they could corrupt more
   and more. I think they should just finish it now.

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   19: Madhukar Deshpande India: When hundreds of villages are being
   submerged in what is considered development of the nation, one maxim
   must be scrupulously observed: The people whose land is being
   submerged must, by a referendum, be consulted before such project is
   approved.

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   16: N. Desai USA: I agree that some land will be submerged at the
   expense of increasing the height of the dam. But, If you are not able
   to increase the height, then the chances for water to reach the desert
   prone Kutch and Saurashtra reduces drastically. This will undermine
   the purpose of having this dam at the first place which is to have
   minimal amount of life-supporting water wasted into the sea. From what
   I know, the desert area in Kutch is spreading at a very fast pace due
   to lack of water. And if we don't take action now then probably, this
   growing desert will eat up even larger forests than the one we are
   trying to save now. Some actions will be painful but if taken now will
   prevent the permanent pain in the future. No gains without pains.

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   15: Jawahar Kambhampati USA: Well, there is a saying - 'one persons
   food may be poison to the other'. If the height of the Dam increased,
   may be useful to the formers of Karnataka, but at the cost of formers
   in Andhra Pradesh and vise versa. But do any one really considering
   interest of The Former? A Former is a former where ever he is, whether
   in Karnataka or in A.P or some where else. Yes, the height of the dam
   may be increased to the optimum level, at the interest of the formers
   community but not to the interest of politicians. Is it possible to
   keep their hands off in any contravertial matters, I'm optimist, so do
   India, longlive my motherland..

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   11: Venkat Yerneni USA: There is no use in increasing the height of
   the dam except for power generation. We will lose millions of acres of
   fertile land. There is no land available for rehabilitation. We are
   uprooting the very livelihood of many tribals. Will all the users who
   are supporting the dam exchange their prime properties in Ahmedabad
   for the people who have been evicted ? In the USA where big dams are
   being dismantled we are still going for big dams which favor only
   contractors and the corrupt politicians.

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   10: Manu USA: One reason why Our land will not prosper is because of
   this 60+gandhians and other environmentalists. I wonder why our Ganges
   and Pamba in Sabarimala, which are so dirty, don't get the attention
   of these environmantalists! These people just love to live with what
   the oldies said. ignore them.......These gandhians are so concerned
   about everything, But G I wonder why the various socio-economic evils
   still exist in our land..... So, Forget about them! If a Dam helps in
   the effort to make India strong, go for it baby......Hunger strikers,
   let them do it..after all they are just dieting!!

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   9: nikhil shah india: Large dams are not sustainable. Even a simple
   economist will be able to inform us that the cost benefit ratio dont
   work. The cost of the dam has far far exceeded its benefits. And
   benefits for a chosen few. Also there is hardly any progress in
   rehabilitation of the project affected people. Economically,
   seismographically, socially improper.

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   8: Rajan Koshy USA: Since the dam is a reality, the nation should get
   the maximum benefit from it - so the height should be raised. However,
   the displaced persons should be well provided for. Also, the
   government should try to make up for the lost forests by increasing
   forestation elsewhere

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   7: Manish Vaja U S: I will support Gujarat Govt. The reason is that
   Mega patkar and other so called leader are fake. They are just small
   selfish creture who want build their political carrier on this issue.
   If they really want to do some creative why don't they fight with
   Maharastra Govt or Madhya pradesh Govt or Rajastan Govt. Reason is
   clear. Maharastra is their own state they are benifited out of Narmada
   project. Second Rajastan is poorest state NO leader would like to bag
   to poor state. Only two states are remaining Madhay pradesh and
   Gujarat. In M P Congress is the Govt so she want like to fight against
   them. She is purely Congress Triggered Goat who don't know his
   desitny. Now only one state is remaining which is Rich that is
   Gujarat. So she is fighting against that state. For Indians, we hardly
   do some constructive work. But we are always ready for destructive
   work. It is vary easy not go for dam. It is vary diffucult to create
   10 Meter Dam. It is the most diffucult to creat 90 Meter Dam. If she
   Know some technology to creat this big dam or she has some project
   management skill then she has right to say anything about this Narmada
   Project. Only protest is not good. Is there any concreat idiea behind
   not creating the so called Dam. She does not have any Plans for
   supplying water to Indian village. Manish Vaja

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   6: Madhu Agarwal India: Narmada Bachao Andolan is a definite stop on
   the progress of the country. Can there be any comprasion of the amount
   of prosperity it going to bring to the people of the area and the
   inconvience it is going to cause. I know some people may think that my
   views are anti poor but all those who come in the way of progress are
   anti poor.We are poor today only because we come in the way of
   progress just to become popular.Just imagine the amount of prosperity
   the dam will bring,won't the poor benefit the most??DON'T COME IN THE
   WAY OF THE POOR BY OPPOSING IT.

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   5: Harry India: The height of the dam must be increased. Narmada
   Bachaoo Andholan is a BS organisation which never looks at the
   country's prosperity backed by self interested people. The advantage
   of the dam far out weighs the disadvantages and looking at it I feel
   one should go for it.

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   4: Prakash P. Patel India: By increasing the height of Narmada Dam the
   water will be reached to the ends of Gurjrat (e.g.Kutch) this will be
   benifited to increase agricultural technology. this will promote
   farming to forthcomming generation. Because of lac of water the new
   generation is diverting from agricultural to other business/servises.

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   3: MUGUNTHAN S. INDIA: Why debate on whether to increase or decrease
   the dam height while we have an insensitive, impotent govt. catering
   to the powerful rich minority and ignoring the resoruceless poor. i
   had personally spent few days at the dam site, more so at the
   rehabilitation site... and has seen for my own eyes how unsustainable
   these maga projects are... not to say about the inefeectual
   rehabilitation programme of the govt.. which inculded extending cash
   for annexing the lands of the farmers which results only in people
   frittering all the money given to them and become wage labourers in
   non-farm activities... increaseing heigh of the dam is only going
   worsen the displacement scenario... of the rural poor... afterall we
   know for sure that these dons of democracy (politicians) are nothing
   but a bunch of jokers..

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   2: Akshay Patel U.S.A: The project it was designed long back but
   because of the selfish policy of the congress government for 45 years
   towards state of the Gujarat, we could not finished in the time and
   also lost billions of rupees. The most important things that after
   spending time and money we are still not enjoying the fruits. The main
   reason for this is that we do not have good and strong leader in the
   Gujarat who can represent in the New Delhi.

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